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Tuesday, December 13, 2005

Was the American experiment worthwhile?

Just wondering. Nowadays, since the United States now has secret laws, secret courts, secret evidence, spying on any American citizen anywhere for any reason, and secret prisons, it seems rather obvious that the American experiment, with all that "liberty" and "freedom" stuff, is over. The question is, was the experiment worthwhile? Did it add anything to the world during its short lifespan of a little over 200 years?

Just curious. What do you think?

The only thing I know for certain is that, for the majority of Americans, this isn't a question they care about. They care respectively about a) their job, b) their family, and c) their close personal friends. That's it. All this "freedom" and "democracy" stuff? They might emit meaningless babbling sounds in support of such, but they certainly don't care enough to, like, do anything about it. I mean, what's in it for them?

- Badtux the Observant Penguin

Posted by: BadTux / 12/13/2005 07:45:00 PM  


Perhaps Americans are drunk on their freedom? Their political Maslow's hierarchy was at such a high mark that they don't realize the base is being eroded out from under them.

One day we might all be fighting for simple freedoms. We'll see.

Meanwhile, if this was an experiment I'm certainly happy as a lab animal.
# posted by CmdrSue : 13/12/05 10:21 PM  

I believe that although certain sectors of society had freedoms, other did not, which causes us to fail misreably at this experiment.
# posted by Ole Blue The Heretic : 14/12/05 12:49 PM  

Truly, the noblest aspect of the American experiment is not those who received freedom as a birthright, but those who were born in this "free country" as poor laborers or minorities and had to struggle to gain a minimal amount of fair treatment.
# posted by NewsBlog 5000 : 14/12/05 2:53 PM  

I think it'll get worse before it gets better, but it will get better. The fact that the US has been a beacon of freedom for the oppressed just speaks to the yearning of all normal people. Jeez, we just want to be able to make a living and be left alone, what's so hard about that???

What's wrong with all these power mongers, anyway?
# posted by SB Gypsy : 14/12/05 3:39 PM  

Sorry, can't tell you that, it's a secret!
# posted by oldwhitelady : 14/12/05 6:07 PM  

Every time that I start to mourn the death of the U.S. and dream of freedom, I remember that it was born of genocide, slavery and war. I remember the Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee and Sand Creek. I remember Hiroshima, Nagasaki, My Lai. I remember missionaries cutting the tongues out of the "savage" children who refused to abandon their own language.

I would say we almost have it coming. Some nasty Karma we've created.
# posted by Oroboros : 15/12/05 5:58 AM  

That's the kind of question that requires an essay for an answer. If I were to write one, its summary might read like this:

This ain't over yet. A dude named Oscar Wilde once said, "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." As long as some of us are looking at the stars, there's hope...
# posted by Mimus Pauly : 15/12/05 3:05 PM  

We survived McCarthyism. I'm sure we can survive this.
# posted by Marie Antoinette : 15/12/05 9:15 PM  

The question is, was the experiment worthwhile?

I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Secretly.
# posted by kc : 15/12/05 11:00 PM  

Worthwhile, yes. Successful? It's looking doubtful. As you've said, too many people don't give a damn. When standard of living gets too high, and freedom gets too free, motivation ot defend freedom, rights and principles declines. Americans are general decent and lazy people . . . hence the handing over of civil rights to those who can talk a good game.
# posted by mycroftdavis : 16/12/05 7:14 PM  

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