Monday, June 20, 2005
Napalm sticks to kids
Marine Corps running cadence (NOT politically correct, and NOT sanctioned by officers and leadership):
Grab your bombs and kill some people
Throw some napalm on the square
Do it on a Sunday morning
Kill them on their way to prayer
'Cause napalm, it sticks to kids
Crispy on the outside, gooey on the inside
Aim some missiles at the schoolyard
As the teacher rings the bell
Look at all those kiddies cryin'
As the schoolhouse burns to hell
Throw some candy in the schoolyard
Watch those kiddies gather 'round
Lock and load with my 2401
Mow those little fuckers down
Rape their horses, kill their women
Eat their little babies, too
We're Marines with M-16s
So tell me who the fuck are you?
Seems like it's confirmed: the U.S. has used Mark 77 firebombs (a.k.a. "napalm") in Iraq, despite claims that they had not done so. In fact, it appears from the RFS above that they have dropped at least 993 Mk77 firebombs onto Iraq. This is causing some slight problems with our British allies, who had been told that no Mk77's had been dropped on Iraq.
As with any bomb, these are area weapons, not pinpoint weapons. That is, they serve to deny an area to an enemy, they do not pinpoint a specific individual. And as with any bomb, since they do not query every single individual within the blast area as to whether they are civilian or military, civilians do die ("collateral damage", as Timothy McVeigh cynically called the bodies of dead babies hauled out of the Oklahoma City bombing wreckage). Well gosh darn it, you say, civilians die in a war? Yessiree, they sure do! Who woulda thunk it?!
The U.S. defends use of the Mk77 in Iraq by saying it has only been used against military targets outside of residential areas, where civilians are "unlikely" to be harmed. Given that the Mk77 lacks stabilizing fins and thus tunbles all over the place, this isn't exactly reassuring, but what the heck, politicians never lie and always tell the truth and they say this didn't happen, so I believe them. This still doesn't explain why they lied to the British, but what they hey, they're only wogs, they're not Americans, they're not REALLY people, so it's okay to lie to them, right? Right?!
-- Badtux the Snarky Penguin
Posted by: BadTux / 6/20/2005 12:07:00 PM
We destroyed our napalm stockpile ages ago, you stupid fucking mongoloid. The MK 77 is an incendiary weapon a fuel mix that is NOT napalm. Get your shit straight before making yourself sound like a total retard.
And by the way, the "Napalm sticks to kids" cadence was banned from the military in the late 80's, dumbass.
# posted by : 27/2/07 8:25 PM
Changing the gellied gasoline to gellied kerosene doesn't change the basic characteristics of the MK 77. It still sticks just as well to kids.
And I am certainly aware that "Napalm sticks to kids" was officially banned fromthe military. Yet it still does stick to kids. Dumbass.
# posted by BadTux : 27/2/07 10:25 PM
well anonymous is right, and by the way badtux, given that the kids in question are more than likely shooting AK-47's at coalition troops...the fact that the MK 77 may or may not stick to them is irrelevant. maybe they'll learn that if you play with fire you're going to get burned.
# posted by : 11/3/07 10:20 AM
Frankly, "Uncle Sam", I don't give a shit what the fuck you want to call the goddamned shit. Call it whatever the fuck you want to call it. If it looks like napalm, acts like napalm, and does the same exact motherfucking goddamned thing as napalm, I'm going to keep on calling it goddamned NAPALM, asshole, even if it's now gellied kerosene rather than gellied gasoline.
And I wasn't aware that napalm gave a shit whether a kid was shooting at soldiers or not before it burned them to a crispy critter. What, you're saying we have "smart napalm" nowdays, that can ask a kid, "are you shooting at soldiers?" before it burns his or her ass to a crisp? You're saying we have super genius napalm now that can look around, and pick only the kids shooting at our soldiers and burn them to a crisp, while leaving alone all the boys and girls who are nearby? Yeah right. How stupid do you think we are, anyhow?
Face facts, moran. You drop napalm on a country where 50% of the population is below the age of 18, you're going to have lots of crispy boys and girls. Only a moron thinks you can drop bombs on a country where 50% of the population is below the age of 18 and NOT have lots of dead boys and girls.
# posted by BadTux : 12/3/07 10:36 AM
frankly, sir, I could give two shits less what happened in vietnam. We were under one fucked up president than, the army was one nasty job the majority of enlistedmen did not want to have, and frankly, whether anyone wanted to see it that way or not, the world was indeed a chaotic place to live. So I could give a shit less if we used napalm or carpet bombing runs from B-52's back then.
We find ourselves in a similar chaotic war where it's just as hard to distinguish who's friendly and who's foe. Realizing that this is true, politics aside, if I know that there's someone attempting to kill me in a certain area and I'm a bombadier, I'd rain hell on that area with whatever is available to me.
If I'm that grunt on the ground and I come under fire from some area, I'm going to call in the most useful type of air strike, artillery, or hell, if I'm in a city and I have the go ahead, I'll toss in my concussion/incindiary grnades if I have a few.
Yes, there is a good chance that the blast from the rounds would kill civillians. Yes there's a definate chance that severe wounds could be cause by those not directly in the blast radius. But when you're in a combat situation which you my friend obviously haven't been anywhere's near, it's their life or yours and I don't care who you are, you're going to do what it takes to survive.
That's not saying I condone the killing of civilians or any non-combatants, I wouldn't want anyone shooting my family or my dog who just happen to be in the wrong country at the wrong time. My deepest sympathy's to them. However, if it comes down to bombing an area (or using any explosive) and saving my life and possibly my entire platoon, or not using it and allowing the enemy presence to waste us but the kid lives... I'll take my chances.
So how about looking through a soldier's eyes before you start mocking a damn cadence. It's not about the love of killing, it's a stupid song meant to help deal with choices a person's forced to make. The same is now as it was in Nam, the enlisted guys making the cadences don't want to have to be in those situations, so pick your fucking fight with the administration that put us there, you got me?
# posted by Radar the Grunt : 13/3/07 12:28 AM
I don't think you quite got my gist. My fight as always been with the administration, not with the grunt who's trying to stay alive. My complaint was about the lies and the coverup, where the leadership tries to somehow paint the war to the civilian populance as if it were all sweetness instead of blood and guts and kids blown to hell, where the leadership tries to hide the nature of war from the populance through lies and deceit. As William Tecumseh Sherman warned over 140 years ago, "You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people ... can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride."
But of course, what did William Tecumseh Sherman know about war. (Sarcasm intended). Dear Leader, having valiantly defended the shores of Houston via all-night beer keggers during his stay in the Air National Guard (not one V.C. managed to get ashore past *his* guard, yessiree!), surely knows more about war than the first modern warrior did, yessiree...
- Badtux the Snarky Penguin
# posted by BadTux : 13/3/07 1:16 AM
haha there you go not reading what someone actually says... actually i said that chances are the "kids" were shooting at us. i never said anything about "smart napalm", nor do i care what you call it as i merely noted that TECHNICALLY it's not.
in fact the administration said as much. the statement they issued only said that "we're not using the old napalm in iraq". this was a reference to the large stockpiles we destroyed in the late 90's. i'd be the first to concede the new stuff does the same thing. it's just more stable and easier to use.. burns better and flies farther.
why don't you face facts, children are not so innocent in iraq. they are used as soldiers - be it with rifles, or with bombs strapped to their chests which go off when they go up and hug coalition troops.
when we've dropped MK 77's it's not in large residential areas, it's in open desert at clear military targets. if "children" are part of said enemy position... you end up with crispy kiddies.
being a soldier as well, i have to tell you that Radar the Grunt is right on the money. we don't want to intentionally kill civilians. however that's a very blurry line in the current situation. if we're under fire we're going to call in support, be it artillary or air strikes, and do whatever it takes to come out alive. if a sniper is taking shots from a building and i can't get a clear shot you better believe i'm going to do whatever it takes to take him out. that includes blowing up the building around him. yes non-combatants may die, but if you want to blame someone then blame the sniper who chose that location knowing he was putting other's lives in danger.
# posted by : 13/3/07 5:31 PM
Hey, I don't disagree with you. You do what you gotta do.
What I disagree with is an American political system that hides the reality of what war is behind jingoism, lies, and propaganda. Going to war always requires blowing the crap out of civilians. We killed over 2,000,000 civilians in Vietnam alone, and god only knows how many civilians we killed during WWII (probably 2,000,000 in Japan alone when we firebombed or nuked its major cities). Which is why you should only go to war when a) you're attacked, or b) when there's a serious national discussion as to what is going to happen, including, yes, the fact that war requires blowing the shit out of women and children too.
None of that has taken place when it comes to Iraq. Iraq never attacked us, and there was no serious national discussion regarding the costs of invading Iraq, just propaganda and lies about fictional weapons of mass destruction and a concerted national campaign to paint anybody who pointed out those costs as some sort of "peacenik" traitor to America (BWAHAHAAH! Which is why I volunteered for the Air Farce back during the Reagan Administration, yessiree, because I'm a goddamned peacenik!). Our nation was stampeded into an unwise war by politicians who cared more about being re-elected than about their nation, and by a press that cares more about making money from war coverage than about telling our nation the truths it needs to know. And one of those truths is that war is hell, war is crispy children and women too, and anybody who says it isn't is a goddamned liar.
And BTW, I've seen the photos of burned or dismembered five year old kids, you aren't going to convince me that these kids were shooting at you, they were just the natural result of the decision to go to war -- a natural result which is being hidden from the American public by the lies of the press and of the administration.
# posted by BadTux : 13/3/07 5:50 PM
to whom ever this 'anonymous' was - i'm in the marine corps, and we definitely still call the napalm sticks to kids cadence. it's hot shit, understand that?
# posted by : 15/4/07 12:29 PM
Ok, anonymous dude, just because it's not officially allowed doesn't mean they don't still sing it. Oh, and by the way, even though the MK77 Mod 5 isn't officially napalm any more, it's still referred to as napalm colloquially. (Also, technically, up until a few years ago, the MK77 was napalm. Maybe it would help if you didn't refer to an specific modification of a weapon using the general term.)
Uncle Sam, that's complete bullshit. Iraqi kids aren't used as troops. Some, admittedly, will be strapped up with IEDs. Even so, I'm not sure that killing indiscriminately just because there's a blurry line between who's on our side and who's not is a reasonable attitude.
Radar, I have the utmost respect for our soldiers out in Iraq at the moment, and those of our allies. I completely respect their decisions to use all available munitions. HOWEVER, I don't think that napalm should be available to them. I'm pretty sure that BadTux supports our soldiers, but that doesn't mean he has to agree with using napalm.
Uncle Sam, for the second time... well, I'm not sure you said anything useful here, just trolling?
Oh, little disclaimer - when I said napalm, in fact I meant anything that burns and sticks to shit. Whether it's jellied gasoline, jellied kerosene, or jellied fucking vodka.
# posted by : 13/5/07 10:33 AM
First of all, I understand napalm to be any of a number of flammable liquids, the most common being jellied gasoline. Napalm is actually the thickener, which when mixed with gasoline makes it sticky.
Also, I'm aware that it has been used in nearly every conflict involving the U.S., hell if it works use it.
As far as the Napalm cadence goes... We used it dozens of times in the Corps from 1996-2000 and even in other federal training institutes as well. So I wouldn't go as far as to say it is "Banned".
It is a classic cadence which is still a favorite amongst all patriots and will be for years to come.
# posted by afj21 : 6/6/07 9:32 AM
haha. you guys can talk shit on a computer all day.
but we DO in fact call that cadence quite a bit, and it makes us laugh. we dont really shoot rockets at children.
ive been calling that cadence for the past 2 years. nobody has cried about it yet.
# posted by : 29/6/07 3:32 PM
Heh. There's tons of bullshit rules and shit that never seem to make it down through the chain of command to the grunts at the pointy end of the stick. Imagine that!
Ya can't be disobeying orders if the order never made it down to you through the chain of command!
# posted by BadTux : 29/6/07 7:08 PM
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